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Worry about old timber windows, not uPVC!

Monday, February 1st, 2010

Guest Post by Martin Randall in response to this comment on a previous post

The timber industry is very active with spin about other materials but it would be best to stick with the facts.

PVC-U, UPVC or PVC does not give off fumes nor does it leach into the ground whether buried or not. PVC-U is a particularly inert material. Once it is manufactured into profile it lasts, and lasts, and lasts. Many of the windows installed in the 1980s by Local Authorities are being replaced with double glazed frames because they were single glazed to save money. Others are being replaced and upgraded so they are more secure or have better insulation, or because the hardware breaks down and is obsolete. But the PVC-U itself just goes on and on.

Early estimates of its lifetime have had to be revised upwards. PVC-U windows will clearly last 35 years with ease, but the material itself looks good for 70 years or more. It wouldn’t surprise anyone if, like concrete, it lasted much longer. The surface gets grubby and fades after a time, but that’s it. It resists burning and self extinguishes in fire. It doesn’t melt in normal fires. When it does burn, at very high temperatures, and long after timber has burned to a crisp, it does give off some fumes. All materials do. Timber for example gives off far more noxious dioxins than PVC-U which gives off just a trace.

The more we recycle the better. It’s just good house keeping. It’s a waste if we don’t, but buried PVC-U is not a hazard or danger to health.

Now if you are concerned about easily leached materials from the surface of window frames in landfill, consider the nasty materials from the coatings of old timber frames. Like PVC-U windows, timber windows can be recycled. They could be dismantled but you try scraping away the paint and breaking down the window into components. Most timber windows aren’t recycled as you can see from the contents of skips all around the country. Most replaced windows going into landfill are not PVC-U, they are timber. If you want to lie awake worried about window materials leaching into our water supplies, worry about old timber windows.

Martin Randall
Fighting Back With Facts
http://www.fightingbackwithfacts.com

Even window professionals can’t to tell the difference between timber and PVCu!

Friday, December 18th, 2009

A couple of weeks ago I posted ten pictures of homes with sash windows, and asked my readers to vote for how many of the windows they felt were PVCu sash windows. The result of the voting is as follows:

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The vast majority of my readers are well informed window industry professionals. The elite of the window industry!

Yet, 51% of those voting did not realise that they were all PVCu sash windows. The images were all kindly supplied to me by Masterframe – specialist manufacturers of PVCu vertical sliding box sash windows.

OK, it was hardly a landslide victory, but the point is that if people who work in this industry cannot identify the difference then surely the general public are even less likely.

If consumers, specifiers and planners take the time to investigate the latest PVC-u window options available, and research the overwhelming advantages of choosing PVCu over timber, then PVCu wins hands down.

PVCu sash windows are low maintenance, have better insulation values, are recyclable, and crucially they look great in some of the UK’s finest homes.

And, they don’t end up looking like this:

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PVC-u or Timber Sash Windows – can you tell the difference?

Sunday, December 6th, 2009

Great strides have been made to make PVC-u sash windows look very similar to traditional timber sash windows.

In many instances it’s very difficult to tell the difference, in my opinion.

So, I’ve added 10 pictures of sash windows in some of the UK’s most beautiful homes. I’m sure you’ll all agree the windows look great in these properties.

But, how many of the windows are PVC-u and how many are timber? Have a look and see what you think:

House 1

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House 2

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House 3

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House 4

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House 5

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House 6

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House 7

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House 8

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House 9

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House 10

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So, how many of these houses have PVC-u windows?

You can vote in the right hand column, or alternatively leave your thoughts below.

Ron Currie – YouTube videos to make you smile

Thursday, November 26th, 2009

When I first saw these videos, I thought they’d got it all wrong.

But, then I thought maybe these are good people to do business with. James Currie is the presenter from Ron Currie – a supplier of timber windows, doors and staircases in Mansfield.

Let me know what you think.

About Ron Currie:

Ron Currie’s Sales and Administration Department:

Joinery Workshop:

Double Glazed Windows with Plant on Strips:

Although I think timber windows and doors are a bit 20th Century, I’ll certainly consider giving James a ring if I need a new staircase…

10 Reasons to be optimistic about the future

Sunday, November 8th, 2009

I thought I’d put in words why I feel we’re in a unique position right now which is unlike any other time I’ve experienced running a uPVC window and conservatory company.

We’re at a turning point where I believe that well positioned, financially sound, forward thinking companies in our industry are in a great position to strengthen their position, grow sales and make profits in the coming years. I’m focussing my thoughts on installation companies and fabricators in the residential uPVC sector, although my thinking can also apply to associated companies.

1. Downturn levelling out for uPVC industry

Over the last two years the market for uPVC windows, doors and conservatories has contracted dramatically. In fact, since 2003/2004 our industry has been in continual decline.

The latest research suggests that this downward trend will continue in 2010, but at a far slower rate, levelling off in 2011 and maybe even growth returning in 2012. For any company that has maintained sales, or even grown their sales, during a time when the market has been shrinking so dramatically, will find a levelling off period feel like a real growth spurt. Imagine your company has grown sales over the last two years at 5% per year, when the market as a whole has declined 20% each year. If the market stabilises, then such a company would find 25% growth reasonably easy by comparison.

2. End of Recession

The UK has been in recession for 6 consecutive quarters. The Bank of England has recently pumped a further £25bn into the economy to help bring us out of recession. France and Germany exited recession in the second quarter, and the US came out of recession in the third quarter. It was a surprise that the UK did not return to growth in the third quarter, so it seems likely that the UK will follow the other major economies in Q4.

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I appreciate that it may seem tough right now, but with the media now talking about recovery, rather than talking about recession (or even depression) then I feel that gradually confidence will return. People buy our products when they feel confident about the future, particularly conservatories. As people start to feel more confident about the economy and their own position in it, then they are more likely to choose to purchase big ticket items.

3. Housing market picking up

The latest surveys from the Halifax and the Nationwide suggest that house prices have virtually recovered to the rates they were at 12 months ago.

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I appreciate many experts are talking about houses prices going back down, but with fewer houses being built over the last few years, and the population increasing, there’s still an undersupply of housing.

I believe that we’ve seen the end of house price declines, and although we may not see growth like we have in the past, we will see growth nevertheless. Our industry relies on the movements in the housing market. As people move home, they either make improvements to increase their chances of a sale, or they make improvements to their new home after they’ve purchased.

The Home Information Packs will have improved demand for energy efficient windows and doors, and as more houses are bought and sold, then demand for windows and doors will increase.

Also, as house prices increase, then conservatories become a more sensible investment. As house prices are falling, then consumers could look unfavourably upon making investments in further extensions to their home. But, as house prices increase then people will feel more confident that a conservatory is a more sensible investment.

4. Mortgages / Interest Rates

People on variable rate mortgages have never had it so good. Even though you could argue that the banks are taking advantage of the low interest rates, and not passing the rates on to mortgages, I still feel that mortgage rates are at very low levels compared to recent history.

If the banks free up more capital, and relax their lending policy and if the interest rates stay at 0.5% for a sustained period then more mortgages will be granted. This will have a positive effect on house prices, and encourage people to remortgage to fund home improvements.

5. Lots of weaker competitors have disappeared

Although the number of fabricators and installers ceasing to trade so far in this recession has been lower than many people thought, I have certainly seen a number of my competitors go bust.

I have noticed that mostly the less professional, low price retailers have struggled and disappeared. Sure, many of these companies have phoenixed but often in a smaller way which will have less impact on the more professional survivors.

Now is a time to take market share!

6. Global warming / Climate Change

Whether you believe global warming and climate change is happening, I hate to say that this potential catastrophe is a short term opportunity for window companies.

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Some installers are taking this opportunity by the horns and successfully promoting energy efficient windows in a big way. With carbon emissions high on the global agenda and the current high cost of fuel, we are all looking for ways to make our homes more energy efficient. The more the industry gets together and pushes the energy saving message and lower fuel bills, then the more windows we will all sell.

7. Government Intervention

If the world is to fully tackle climate change, then Government intervention has to happen at some point.

In November 2008, the Government passed the Climate Change Act which set a legally binding target for the United Kingdom to reduce greenhouse gas, emissions by 80% compared to 1990 levels by 2050, with an interim target of 26% by 2020 (which has subsequently been increased to 34%).

Transport consistently grabs the headlines on climate change emissions but buildings pour out about half of the UK’s CO2 – 30% from homes, 20% from commercial buildings.

It is generally recognised that if you live in a single glazed house and install Energy Efficient Windows you could reduce the energy you use by 0.30 tonnes (or 18%) per year. The Government cannot just assume consumers will take the decision to install the latest in energy rated windows, or loft insulation, or any other energy saving product.

Government intervention has to happen at some point, whether through reduced VAT, a window scrappage scheme, grants or creating legal requirements for upgrading our homes, and when this happens our industry will be well positioned to benefit.

8. Timber Too Expensive

We can argue all day long about the environmental credentials of both PVC-U and timber windows. There are strong opinions from both sides.

But, one thing cannot be argued about. Good quality timber windows are out of the financial reach of the vast majority of homeowners. Whereas good quality uPVC windows are very affordable. This isn’t going to change, and with more foil options, better hardware, and more energy efficient uPVC options available, I believe that uPVC is ready to fight back!

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Save a tree, buy uPVC!

9. Replacing the Replacements

It doesn’t take a genius to point out that most houses now have uPVC windows these days – just drive down most housing estates in the UK and it’s perfectly clear.

The challenge now is to ‘replace the replacements’ and I believe this emerging market is gathering pace. Conservatory Outlet now sends all post consumer replacement uPVC windows off for recycling, and the numbers of frames we’re getting back from dealers is amazing (100-200 frames per week). Lister trade Frames recently pointed out that consumers are replacing relatively recent uPVC installations, so they can benefit from better designs and more energy efficient windows.

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Let’s face it, many of the uPVC windows and doors installed in the 1980’s and 1990’s was badly sold. As installation companies start replacing more uPVC windows, then the natural spirit of ‘Keeping Up With The Jones’ will gather pace.

10. Still a very big market!

Finally, I just want to point out that despite the fact that the double glazing and conservatory market has shrunk dramatically, it’s still a very, very big industry.

There’s loads of profitable work out there to be had.

You just need to know how to find it!

Wood is good (especially in furniture and floors)

Wednesday, August 26th, 2009

Hello Matthew,

Just wanted to comment on your ’10 reasons to choose uPVC’ piece. Great photos! And ones every installer should have to hand when they sell to homeowners. People forget, photos like these were not uncommon in the 1980’s. The country’s housing stock was a disaster. Unless homeowners spent a lot of their free time (often when on their holidays) repairing and painting their timber windows and doors, or they paid a decorator to do it, then their windows and doors would get into this state. Yes, these are extreme examples, but remember when new build timber windows would start to rot within three years? You could push your finger through the paint and into the wood! And if you left it any longer than 3 years, then more often than not you would have a major and expensive job on your hands.

That’s why homeowners welcomed uPVC with open arms. They loved uPVC because their windows and doors needed very little maintenance. They could then do what they want with their spare time, rather than have to worry about sorting out their rotten timber windows.

Maybe the anti-PVC propaganda in the national press is written by people who weren’t around in the 1980’s to experience those draughty, rotten, rattling timber windows and doors and never saw what happened when the wind, rain and snow gets at timber?

Wood is good, I love it, it’s beautiful in furniture and floors, but unless you have the time, the inclination and the money, it’s asking for trouble to buy wooden windows and doors. Installers, who show these photographs to homeowners who are too young to know or whose memories have failed, will be doing them a favour. uPVC maintained value in our homes and gave us back our much valued spare time. That’s good value at any price!

Kind regards.

Martin Randall
Chairman, Crystal Direct
http://www.fightingbackwithfacts.com/

10 more reasons to choose uPVC

Monday, August 24th, 2009

Turns out it’s not only the Lake District is not the only region suffering from decaying timber windows and doors:

Reason 1

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Reason 2 (more…)

10 reasons to choose uPVC (and not buy timber)

Sunday, August 23rd, 2009

While spending a rain drenched week in the Lake District last week, I couldn’t help sneeking the odd nervous glance at this site to see what was happening. It could have all gone Pete Tong, but I think the guys did me proud.

Thanks Dean Hunt, Barry Dunlop and Renegade PR Guy for keeping things ticking along. I had specifically requested that Dean should net be involved with the website in my absence – mainly because he’s far funnier and creative than I am. Who else would have thought of putting a popcorn-eating hamster balancing upside down on a piano, onto a website about conservatories and double glazing??

Renegade PR Guy’s post did get me thinking about whether uPVC windows and doors were a suitable choice for the Lake District – England’s largest National Park. I’m confident that Chris Wood from English Heritage will have his views on the subject, but I couldn’t help snapping away at some of the buildings in the area.

And, I came up with 10 reasons why I feel wood windows and doors are not always the best option, and uPVC should be considered a valid alternative, assuming they are of a good quality and sympathetically designed.

Reason 1

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Reason 2

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(more…)

More Style, Less Substance

Wednesday, August 19th, 2009

By Guest – Renegade PR Guy….

I can feel the power coursing through my narrowed arteries as I contemplate the freedom bestowed upon me as a member of a select band of people to whom Renegade Conservatory Guy has handed the keys, as it were, to his blog. That he has done so must seriously call into question his state of mind and I would urge those nearest to him to consider the laws that ensure those with unbalanced faculties to be safely put out of harm’s way until such time as they can be suitably quelled. The alternative view of course is that the merry band of which I am a select member has been appointed because he trusts us implicitly to guard and sustain his precious baby, that we will do our best to bring an alternative stimulus to RCG in his absence.

Personally I just think he’s plain bonkers.

Nonetheless, whilst I have this tremendous if misplaced opportunity, I will use it to exorcise a rant fashioned last week whilst visiting a beautiful Cornish fishing village, the name of which is irrelevant for the purpose of this column. I am a thorough proponent of PVC-U as a framing material and as such I find myself irritated by the sweeping statements by which this thoroughly honest, hard working material is condemned. But In the eyes of a number of small but disproportionately vocal groups it is the invention of the Devil himself, an artefact designed to bring humanity to its knees and sweep us all to Hades and eternal damnation.

Most recently the appropriately monikered Chris Wood, head of building conservation and research at English Heritage, restated his views that PVC-U is not an appropriate material for use in conservation-zoned buildings, a comment that was rebuffed by the Glass and Glazing Federation by the supremely sensible riposte that it was the design of the window that was the key issue, not the material. This is a view with which I thoroughly agree and support.

Check out this Photo — Provided it is a well designed window — can you tell the difference between PVC-U and Timber?

I can\'t believe it is not TIMBER!

Mr Woods comments came jarringly into mind during a stroll last week through the delightfully uneven and winding Cornish street. A single property was installed throughout with conventional, side-hung sash frames and what looked menacingly like a composite front door. The windows were, of course, quite obviously manufactured in PVC-U. They, and the door, were quite horrible and my wife’s immediate reaction was ‘How on earth did they get away with fitting those horrible PVC windows in a street like this?’.

I pondered if her outburst, were it to have come at all, would have been different had the frames been thoughtfully designed vertical sliders? Would she have glanced at the windows and made any reference at all to the fact that they were PVC-U and not timber, had the design been appropriate?

Apparently the area is now covered by a conservation order and the windows were replaced prior to this, thus allowing complete freedom to cock up not just the building but also the street itself. That the door was possibly composite is neither here nor there, but a dismal and inappropriate design is also representative of the owner’s lack of care for his property.

And thereby hangs, I believe, a subjective if timely example of the point made by the GGF: that sensitive and appropriate design is the key issue when replacing windows in any property, not the material from which they are made. There are some superb vertical sliders being made out there that offer good looks whilst bringing all the performance benefits to the occupants, in addition of course to windows that open and close perfectly.

I doubt however that even these would be acceptable to Mr Wood, who not only insists upon timber frames, but also that float glass be banned in favour of rolled. Surely some compromises must be made as the realities of global warming become ever more evident? But thoughtless compromises in the design of PVC-U windows have contributed much to the general resistance to the material now put up by so many people and places.

Who is going to take the lead now to overcome such prejudice?

GGF responds to BBC online feature

Wednesday, June 24th, 2009

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Ian Chisholm from the GGF’s response to the BBC article ‘A plague of Plastic Windows’:

English Heritage carries out some wonderful work in protecting our historical built environment. But now and again the organisation’s rather extremist, sweeping diktats expose a very narrow point of view.

The Glass and Glazing Federation represents the whole of the UK glass and glazing industry and has no preference for any particular Fenestration material. Our stance is that what must be central in choosing new windows for any installation is that the design is appropriate to the specific property into which it is being installed, as well as adjacent properties and the surrounding area. With that established, there are some fine windows produced in PVC-U, just as there are poor windows manufactured using timber. To sweep aside any material without considering all of the options is inappropriate.

We cannot believe that having timber windows that look tatty, are poorly maintained and offer inadequate protection against the elements (and which are therefore inevitably energy inefficient), rather than well designed frames in PVC-U, performing to the highest standards of energy efficiency and comfort, makes any sense.

Whatever choice one makes, choose well designed and manufactured windows, in appropriate style for the property being installed as well as the surrounding area, in finishes that are again appropriate (for example, choose a cream coloured PVC-U window, rather than high white); and of course, from a reputable manufacturer and installer such as a GGF member.

Ian Chisholm
Glass and Glazing Federation

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