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Still no answer about the solar gain in the WER scheme

Friday, June 11th, 2010

Clearly, the vast majority of people in the window and door industry support the Window Energy Rating Scheme.  The feedback from the floor at GlassTalk certainly supported this with most installers suggesting they felt the scheme was an opportunity for the industry.

The WER ‘on the couch’ discussion tackled various questions people had, and Giles Willson put forward a very strong case for the scheme which was well supported from the floor.

One question remains unanswered though.  Kevin Ahern from Osprey Windows has been asking for months for the BFRC to supply the scientific evidence for which the solar gain element of the scheme has been derived.  I asked the question to Giles from the floor as to why he can’t give Kevin this information, but unfortunately there was no answer to this question.

After the event, Kevin and I chatted and we agreed that probably it was time to move on as the WER scheme is now written into law anyway.

However, it is clear that there is still a significant groundswell of people from the industry are suspicious of the solar gain element of the WER scheme.  Here’s some of the comments on the GlassTalk website:

Roy Vassie:

I believe the show of hands from the floor clearly showed the majority are in favor of a rating system as it would clearly benefit all, but I think if you had asked for a show of hands asking ‘do you trust the current method of arriving at the ratings’ the result would have been a resounding NO as they are plainly not backed by clearly provable measurement criteria.

I think if that problem was resolved the vast majority would be 100% behind the scheme. The reason many currently would not be is because they are unconvinced that the statistics are honestly provable and believe there is a hidden agenda behind the method of calculating it.

Resolve that and there is no moral dilemma.

Terry Leach:

If there is scepticism about the tachnical data that has been provided then of course we should challenge the whole credibility of the scheme prior to its insception in October, once the scheme has begun and the general public start to raise issues about the credibility then we really will be up shit creek without a paddle, do we think that the BFRC will be arsed about any flak thats fired our way?

Adrian Green:

Come on guys, get a grip. I am just a small time timber producer who has always argued that WERs are purely for box tickers and salespeople. There is no doubt that standards will and have risen as a result, but to include solar gain in the calculation is as crazy as making a hole in the top of your A++ window, covering it with aluminium, and calling it a tricklevent!

For all the criticism to go away then surely the most sensible solution is for someone at the BFRC to supply the required information about the science behind the solar gain calculation to Kevin Ahern and the wider industry.

I already sell energy rated windows, and I believe that the window energy rating scheme is a far simpler way of demonstrating to consumers the comparative performance of various window systems.  But as long as there is a major question mark over the science behind it, then it’s difficult for me to fully support the scheme.

Anger and confusion about WER scheme

Sunday, February 7th, 2010

I’ve been reading with interest the lengthening thread on the Thermoseal blog about the Window Energy Scheme and its impact on our industry.

It appears that there are many people concerned that the impending changes to the WER scheme in October will have a devastating effect on many small IGU fabricators, PVCu manufacturers and installers. Many of the comments refer to small businesses being pushed out of business and people being forced onto the dole.

I am becoming increasingly concerned myself that the industry is just not ready to replace U-Values with WERs as the only way to comply with building regulations in such a short time scale.

The whole thing seems badly thought out, and there seems to be a lot of confusion about what the changes will actually mean to individual businesses. There are even people questioning the validity of the science behind the rating system.

Our company has successfully been marketing energy rated windows for some time now, but I’m particularly frustrated with the amount of unnecessary bureaucracy it entails and the lack of flexibility we now have with sealed unit product supply.

So, I’m trying to fix up to have an interview on the website with Giles Wilson of the BFRC, although I’m yet to get a response to my request. I want to ask him for clarity on a couple of questions I need clarifying, but I would also like to hear any constructive questions you might like me to put to him.

Please submit your questions below, and then I’ll compile the best 8 or 10 and send them to him.

Installing new window heaters!

Thursday, December 3rd, 2009

Guest post by Kevin Ahern

I was a bit tongue in cheek when I asked Matthew to host the poll to assess peoples’ perception of the window energy rating scheme, and although the voting numbers were never going to be argued as definitive, it could possibly be a good snapshot of the way some of the industry folk are feeling.

Currently (at 32 votes total) the most interesting response shows that 34% answered that they did not believe that an A rated window was a net heater of a house.

A Rated Windows

That surely is quite a remarkable figure that shows a lack of faith in the flagship energy appraisal system from the BFRC.

I would expect to see a good response from the believers in the domestic double glazing industry as the rating scheme is after all, sales based and (I’ve heard it said) salesmen are the easiest to sell to, because they believe in the sales methods! But only half of the responses are believers of the window energy rating claims.

I am a pleasantly surprised by the lack of votes for the third category, being cynical of the way a lot of the industry works I expected a few more votes in the ‘extra margin’ box.

So come on, put your clicks where it counts, maybe my cynicism prevented a genuine ‘I haven’t got a clue’ option, but put your thinking caps on and work it out, or just put click for your gut feeling, you never know it might be right!

If you want to, you can use this blog to say which way you voted, and why, or even say if you would have been a genuine undecided.

Remember, your vote counts!

Kevin Ahern

Energy Efficient Windows video from Anglian

Monday, October 19th, 2009

Hat’s off to Anglian with the following video, which effectively shows the benefit of choosing energy rated windows compared to single glazing:

I’m not trying to put ideas in to people’s heads, but surely a similar and generic version of this video to be used by any company marketing A, B and C rated windows and provided by the BFRC would be useful in getting the message across.

Copies of a video like this would be useful for sales staff, and marketing departments to use on their websites.

Glazing Quiz

Wednesday, October 7th, 2009

Guest post by Kevin Ahern

As the trade press is full of the BFRC and the WER scheme, I thought a little lighthearted quiz was in order to keep everyone up to speed. There are no prizes, there are probably no correct answers, but there is a multiple choice format that helps keep it simple.

Good luck, and have fun!

What does WER stand for?
a) Wobbly Energy Rantings
b) Window Energy Ratings
c) Wonderful Easy Revenue

Why do we need WERs?
a) To help consumers compare window performance
b) To help customers insulate their houses
c) To fudge the window insulation issue, so that glass U-values lose their significance

Why are WERs to be the only method of compliance to the proposed 2010 building regs part L?
a) for the sake of simplicity
b) U-values just aren’t trendy anymore
c) To fudge the window insulation issue, so that glass U-values lose their significance
d) To provide a cash cow for the certificate providers

How can you prove compliance to the proposed building regs part L
a) You can’t, the formulas aren’t public thus you can’t assess your own product
b) purchase the right to supply windows from the BFRC
c) use someone else’s certificate

How does FENSA fit into the WER equation?
a) Oh , err , umm
b) FENSA take the Low E test machine from their inspector’s briefcase
c) FENSA will commission a new printing press and will take subcontract work for all the industry certificates
d) FENSA will now rename to Office for Legal Development, Ratings Or Performance Excluded, so at least we know what we are giving money for

How is the WER applied to assess the window heat flow performance on different orientations?
a) It isn’t, it can’t
b) It doesn’t need to because it simplifies the complicated process of thinking, thus A is better than C, easy
c) It is a marketing tool

What monetary benefits are there by choosing an A rated window over a C rated window?
a) £26.48 per year
b) £80.00 per year
c) If your A rated window faces north, west or east you may be better off fitting a D rated window which could well have a lower U-value (whoops forgot part L)

What orientation is used to calculate the WERs
a) North
b) South
c) East
d) West
e) A thought out combination of all 4 ……………..sorry only joking, there is no option e

How much Solar gain (in Kwhr/M2) is included in the BFRC calculation?
a) Bucket Loads
b) 5 sunrays per second
c) The sun shining from Messrs Pilkingtons derrier
d) It’s top secret, so we can’t tell you

If DG units are being made with low iron glass and frames are being made with slimmer sightlines, does that mean more sun gets though?
a) Oh yes , lots of free energy
b) Hang on to your furnishings ladies, the patterns will disappear before your very eyes
c) Absolutely, you will be able to sell loads more of those aircon units for the summer, top added value (for the retailer)

How long will it take before a disgruntled householder complains that his A rated windows don’t seem to be heating his house?
a) never, customers believe everything they are told
b) never, because they don’t care
c) 1 good winter, but get fobbed off by the installation company

With the Energy Saving Trust, Building regs, and James Strawbridge all on board, who will be the next organization to sing the virtues of the WER?
a) The Tufty Club
b) Trading Standards
c) Citizens Advice Bureau
d) None of the above, although some may be interested in the claims being made.

If Trading Standards were to ask, “under what conditions will your A rated window be a net heater of a customers house?”, what will the response will be?
a) I have no idea, I just sell what the certificate says
b) It doesn’t matter, these windows are magic, the laws of nature don’t apply
c) Don’t tell anyone, but we have sunshine all year, if the customer can’t store this free summer energy for the winter that’s his problem.
d) Look, it is just a marketing tool, chill out man

After consideration, the verdict, so who has to pay the customer compensation for mis-selling?
a) The installer
b) The certificate holder
c) The certificate issuer

Finally, the BFRC Window Energy Rating scheme is being rolled out so that everyone has enough time to pay their money for some certificates, what would be your overall view of the scheme?
a) A great marketing tool for the proliferated installation end of the window market.
b) A simple and accurate way for the consumer to assess his energy needs.
c) A cynical manipulation of the building regs, by and for, the benefit of the industry big hitters, resulting in the bullying of the vast majority of the industry by a minority that might claim to represent it.

Ok, it is now time to work out your score

Mainly A’s
You are on the marketing bandwagon big time, I guess the scheme has you licking your lips for the added value you can get out of your customers.

Mainly B’s
Get off the fence, and either go for A or C, B is a daft choice of no real value unless you fell on it by accident and the spec is generally what you already offer.

Mainly C’s
I guess you have made the “fall in line” choice. It will enable you to trade and sell a product that will keep a market for big float glass manufacturers who haven’t invested in cutting edge low E technology as yet.

A broad mix of ABCD and E’s
Well you are pretty disgruntled that you are having to sell products that the industry declares are the best, but in reality, may not be for each individual customer. You are probably also a little miffed at having to pay for a certificate that only shows a notional rating in a marketing scheme, that perversely grants you permission to sell these products and thus contributes financially to the whole merry-go-round.

Just a little bit of fun, I hope you enjoyed it!

Don’t count on that energy saving

Sunday, September 20th, 2009

I was interested in reading an article on a New Zealand website entitled ‘Don’t Count on that Energy Saving’.

The writer argues that spending money on insulating your home won’t actually save you any money, or energy. He quotes various studies which suggest that people in better insulated homes often use more energy than those in less well insulated homes.

energyhome

What’s happening and likely to happen as the rush to insulate gathers momentum is people in cold homes suddenly find they have warm(er) homes and they like it. “So instead of taking savings by using less energy and having lower power bills, they’re taking the comfort instead,” says Branz scientist Nigel Isaacs.

I decided to do my own little study to see if this argument is valid. As we have installed A Rated windows in our home through the summer, I asked my wife if she was intending turning the boiler down a bit as a result of the new windows. She couldn’t understand why I was asking the question, and confirmed that she had no intention of changing the settings on the boiler.

The implication for our industry marketing the benefits of energy rated windows is obvious, but don’t worry I have intervened and reduced the temperature dial on the boiler.

The interesting conclusion from this article is that better insulated homes is more important for our health than for reducing our energy consumption. By retrofitting houses with better insulation it is estimated this could provide a health saving of $215.

Collins says providing warmer, drier homes for families and children is more important than energy savings. “Turn the argument on its head and you realise that one night spent in hospital is about the cost of installing ceiling and underfloor insulation in a home, and then you’ve got to ask where we are better spending our time and money.”

I wonder how many salesmen out there are currently using the better health message while demonstrating the benefits of double glazing? And taking the argument a stage further, surely there are health benefits of relaxing in a nice, warm conservatory.

Live longer….. buy double glazing and a conservatory!

Petition for grants for double glazing

Thursday, August 27th, 2009

I realise there is a certain amount of apathy towards signing petitions, but I do feel this one makes more sense than most.

This petition to the Prime Minister is to request a Grant be available to purchase Double Glazing, enabling those house holders who do not have cavity walls to improve the energy efficiency of their homes and cut energy bills.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/solidwalls/

The more people who sign it, the more likely it is that the Government will listen to our industry, so please tell you friends and colleagues about the link.

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