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Just an idea I thought I’d run by you

Monday, March 8th, 2010

OK, I’ve probably not thought this through properly, and am very much talking aloud with this post.  So, please be gentle with me if I’m miles offside here.

But, I’ve been thinking about the previous post with the £2080 window sale, and also the debate I sparked about upselling.

It was clear that most of the readers of this blog believe in pricing windows and doors fairly.  In other words, a price that is fair for the customer and fair for the company.  The company is generating enough money from the sale to sustain their business and make a small profit, and the customer is not ripped off and happy with the price.

So, what about if there was a website available with a national window and door price list which both customers and companies could work from?  I’m not talking about one of those lead generating websites where a customer can get a wildly inflated price if they divulge their details, and then get pestered by 3 companies.

I’m talking of an agreed pricing structure which customers can look at freely, and without having to supply their details.  The prices are realistic – not inflated for discounting by a salesman, or ridiculously cheap so that upselling is required.  Just fair prices for both the customer and the company.

Then, companies who are happy to sell windows and doors at these fair prices can sign up to the price list, and have their details listed on the website.  If a customer likes the prices on the website then they can contact any of the companies listed.

There’d need to be assurances from the companies taking part that they will work to the price list, and a small degree of flexibility of prices would need factoring in for regional and installation variations.

In the same way that David asked in the previous post ‘am I being too soft’, I’m wondering ‘am I being realistic?’

No doubt people from our industry will have the following doubts:

  • It’s a salesman’s job to work quotes out.
  • I wouldn’t want my competitors knowing my prices.

Like I’ve said, I’m just thinking aloud.  If a website existed that gave consumers a pretty accurate price for windows and doors, and generated leads for those companies associated then maybe that could be a good thing….

Respect your customer’s time

Monday, February 15th, 2010

Guest post by Dave Blakeman of RPS

When a salesperson visits a customer, I believe they should show respect for that customer’s time. It’s remarkably simple (but rare) for a salesperson to put themselves in the customer’s shoes. This invoves doing simple things:-

Arrive when promised
Don’t out-stay your welcome
Do what you promised by when you promised it

In addition, I have a suggestion for the retail conservatory sales world. As a gesture of respect for the customer’s time, why not send them a small box of chocolates (or an M&S voucher) along with your quotation? And a small note saying “your time is important to me – please accept this as a small token for taking the time to see me”.

Say this costs £10/customer. Benefits would be:

1. The customer will be amazed – this is not how double glazing companies are expected to behave!
2. It’s almost inconceivable that your competition would do the same thing, so you’ve already ticked a “special” box that people didn’t realise existed!
3. If you don’t win the job, you’ll be in a great position to ask why. That feedback is invaluable – you’ve already given something special to the customer, and they will feel obliged to give you an honest answer back, rather than just fobbing you off with “the other quote was less” (price is a great excuse, but rarely the main reason to choose someone else)
4. Whether you win the job or not, you can be pretty certain the customer will tell others about it.
Sounds like £10 well spent to me (especially in the current climate). I’m not sure it would have the same impact in trade-trade sales, but we might well try it anyway!

If anyone decides to try this, let me know how it goes!

Dave is the MD of RPS (Roofwright) and has his own blog which is definitely worth following at:

http://daveblakeman.wordpress.com/

5 things window companies should do, but don’t.

Sunday, November 29th, 2009

When I travel around the country talking to potential dealers, I often get frustrated with how unprofessional many of them are. I see countless things that they are doing wrong.

Here’s five of them:

1. Price jobs on the night

I understand that on certain occasions a job may be more complicated than usual. Maybe, there are unusual building requirements. Maybe the customer requires pink frames with yellow sashes and it’s just not that easy to price up.

But, in the vast majority of instances, a well constructed price list is sufficient to provide reasonably accurate prices. I can never understand why a salesman would build up desire in a customer, and then leave the customer to post a quote on. I realise it works for some salesmen if they are skilled at keeping in touch with their customers or in setting up a follow up meeting. However, on the whole, the better conversion rates are achieved by sales staff who price there and then.

Normally our industry is renowned for the ‘hard sell’ but I regularly see instances of the exact opposite. Not pricing on the night is leaving the job open for competitors to steal the work with a more sophisticated sales pitch. People don’t like pushy, but they do like to see someone keen for the work, so give your best price and ask for the work!

2. Offer Finance

Following on from the above. These are challenging times, and borrowing money from banks and building societies is not as easy as it used to be.

By not having a facility where you can help potential customers with a finance solution if they need it is just doesn’t make sense. I’m not saying that you should be pushing finance on every customer, as it would in most instances be inappropriate, but it’s a very handy sales tool.

3. Advertise in the right place

If I was running a window company I would not advertise in free newspapers. What’s the point? All the cheap competitors advertise there, so why get your company caught up in fighting for work on price. Also, newspapers are a dying advertising medium.

Likewise, the Yellow Pages and Thomson local Directories are being used less and less. People go online instead. By all means have a token advert for people looking for you, but I wouldn’t waste money here myself.

Another good place to waste money is advertising on the radio. It might be good for building brand awareness if you’ve got spare advertising budget, but if you need leads now, then I don’t think radio is the way forward.

I’ve made all these mistakes myself, and am convinced that there are far more effective ways to advertise.

4. Incentivise staff

I regularly witness installation companies grumbling about employed fitters taking 3-5 days to install standard conservatories. It’s a great selling point stating that all the guys are on the books, but the reality is that the best fitters are self employed.

The same applies to sales staff. The very best sales professionals are commission based, and need to sell to generate a reasonable income. They don’t necessarily have to be commission only, but a degree of commission or bonus as part of the package will certainly encourage a sales person to work harder.

For an installation company, the ability to pay sales staff and fitters only when they perform well allows for the peaks and troughs of consumer demand. Having too many fixed overhead staff does not suit this industry.

5. Create the right image

I hate to see fitters with silicone all over their work clothes, tattoos and piercings. It sends out the wrong message. I also hate to see scruffy, dirty vans. Fitters are representing the company and allowing them to turn up looking like a scarecrow is not good business sense.

Likewise, sales staff need to create the right image at the point of sale. For me, a balance between smart and casual works best. Having sales staff turning up in sports cars with Armani suits is not the way to go as consumers automatically assume they’re going to be ripped off. But you also don’t want a sales team driving around in bangers, and dressed too casual.

Guest post from a double glazing customer

Monday, November 9th, 2009

Guest post by a potential double glazing customer:

Had a double Glazing salesman round at the house on Saturday morning. I’d gone through the web pages to request a brochure and lo the phone calls started, telling me there was a team in my area and they’d be happy to pop round to give me a quote. Well, says I, “I’d love to get a quote, but I won’t be signing anything on the day”. “Oh now sir, that’s not how we work these days.” she assures me. We’ll see! Anyway, couldn’t do it the week they said there was a team in my area, but by amazing coincidence there was one im my area the following week too – how lucky am I?

Anyway, the guy appears at my door bang on time, with a big bag of brochures and a laptop and printer. 45 minutes later and we still haven’t seen a brochure, never mind had the windows measured. 1 hour in and he’s just coming back from the car with the demo material – a corner piece. At 90 minutes in he’s now retrieved the demo window with the locks. He’s assuring me that although some companies might quote about 5 grand for the windows on the front of my house, that’s far from realistic and here’s all the ways they’ll be ripping me off.

Come 12:30, we’ve finished measuring the windows and he’s putting together a great quote for me. He’d love to have one of the company vans in my street, there’s plenty people needing window replacements and I could be the one to kick off a lot of sales in the area – I’ll get a great price based on being the conduit to all these sales.

My wife is now putting on her jacket and getting the wee man ready for going over to his Grannies. At 12:45 he prints out the 1st quote just a ba’hair under £14k. I stifle a laugh… I thank him for his time and go to get my own jacket. He’s mumbling something about window scrappage scheme and Barclays finance package. I’ve got my coat on and he’s furiously typing away at the calculator.

“I can do this for you at £7900 but you’d need to sign up today and don’t tell anyone I’ve offered you this price.”

“Well, thanks for your time. We’ve got to go to the Grannies now, I’ll be in touch next week if we decide to go with you.”

“Aye, well, it’s not for everyone. Some people just can’t afford the best and take short sighted decisions due to financial constraints, I understand that”, says he in what I’m beginning to suspect is a bit of an indignant manner.

“Do you need a hand carrying your stuff back to the car?”

Now, the question I have is, why should he be shitty with me? He was supposed to take 45 minutes to demo his product and measure us up for a quote. The fact that he took 3 hours isn’t my fault. I said right up front that I was after quality and a good value for money quote. I explained to him that I was web savvy and had been doing a bit of research on double glazing. I had decent question to ask him about his product, but I’d told everyone I wouldn’t be signing up on Saturday. How disrespectful is it of him to think that I’d change my mind based on his wasting an extra 2 hours and 15 minutes of my Saturday morning? Giving me a quote that can immediately be reduced by over £6k is exactly what I told him not to do.

This is a genuine example of a customer receiving a quote for double glazing in 2009. Not 1989. But 2009! Is this acceptable? Is it time that our industry accepts this type of sales practices? Your comments are welcome (without naming names)…

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